Scientology - Through the Door

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Monday, 31st January, 2005 03:31:15pm

Name or Alias: Martha Greene
Training and/or processing level: Cl IV, Clear
Org or location: Stevens Creek, Mt View, Flag
Time involved in the Church of Scientology: almost 30 years
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1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of Scientology?
Ran into a girl I had known from High School. She was a recruiter from Div VI. She invited me to a lecture presented by Clay Primrose. I was blown away with what Clay was telling me and was easily signed up for the Communication Course.

2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
Oh gee, it was so long ago (I was 19 years old then). I remember looking at the Tone Scale thinking it was pretty cool and everyone seemed so interested in talking to me.

3. Were there problems in your life that you thought scientology would address?
Yeah, I thought I definitely could use a course in communication and at the time I believe it only set me back $35.00. I had to drive home and get the money and the reg actually followed me in his car and I brought out the cash to him.

4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
When I first got into Scientology I loved it. It was an exciting time at Stevens Creek Mission. They had tons of staff, the course rooms were filled, people were having wins. Ethics wasn't heavy-handed in those days. I spent a lot of time there. I was disseminating, I wanted to go up my bridge!

5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of Scientology?
I had wins. And I wanted more. The price of auditing was kind of expensive (for those days too). I thought I would become an auditor and maybe audit on staff. I wanted to go Clear and OT like everyone else.

6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
I spent a little time as an FSM Consultant shortly after getting in Scientology, but didn't do very well. I was still pretty new and kind of fell on my face. So went off staff and decided to learn how to audit. Spent the rest of my time as public with Stevens Creek (as a Mission and an Org). Received auditing at Mt. View Org and received auditing at ASHO and Flag.

7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a "final straw"?
The activities and intentions of the church are not the same as when I first got into Scientology. In the beginning you didn't have people always calling to come to this event or that event and it always ended up being a big reg cycle. We were being called all the time from IAS to donate more money (to help fight the enemies of Scientology). We went to the event when Golden Age of Tech came out and I remember looking at my husband and he had this face of 'what is this crap?' Even then we spoke to each other just a little about what we had witnessed and still continued being a part of the church. Having my son recruited at Flag. The recruiters didn't care that he knew nothing of Scientology or that he wasn't yet done with High School or how his father (who was not a Scientogist) might react. When his step-dad (who went to Flag with him) tried to explain all of this to the recruiters they didn't care. All that mattered was their stat. They even pulled my son off course and wrote a KR on his step-dad. His step-dad had also writted a KR on the recruiters for pulling Mitch off course but the MAA didn't care about that just about Kevin's counter-intention. There were numerous times my husband and I would look at each other and say 'Does that seem right to you'. 'Do you think thats right?'. But we never even had a heart to heart with each other about our church. The straw for me was going to Stevens Creek Org to receive my CCRD (which was C/S'd by Flag) and being told I wasn't Clear and I needed to do my Expanded Grades and NED. Being told by my auditor that it had been coming down from above a change in Clear cycles. That all Clear cycles are being looked at, especially last lifetime Clears because only a percentage of people were actually clear. She said the fact that Flag C/S'd you for a CCRD is an indication that there is no evidence I am clear. She said it was now being handled this way because it had become a waste of time and money. Oh by the way they had taken my money for the CCRD cycle,debited it also for CCRD but were going to use if for my 'review' auditing (I was told that by my auditor). At that point I knew I wasn't coming back. Even when I wrote a KR on the cycle and wrote to RTC I knew it was over. RTC never answered my question about 'changes in the clear cycles' but did write to tell me that an extensive review was done on my folder and a tour personnel is in my area ready to assist me. I eventually was given an updated C/S. I was told that some of my objectives were flat, needed to get my Happiness Rundown, my Scientology Drug Rundown (funny I had just completed that 2 years prior at Mt View Org) and then my expanded grades and NED. So basically do my bridge all over again. They forgot to say - and the Sec Checking I would probably be given too for making such a fuss. My husband and I finally had that heart to heart. Turns out he had suspicions since GAT came out.

8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those practices affect your life?
I left in June of 2004, it's over.

9. If the items you listed in the previous question were changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of Scientology? If so, why?
No

10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
We eventually received money we had on account at Stevens Creek, AOLA and Flag. We had to fight for it and retain a lawyer. They tried to get us to sign a release that we would never create, publish, post a story, book writing etc. and maintain silence with respect to our experiences with the Churches and any knowledge or info we have concerning the Churches or LRH. Well, needless to say we didn't sign it. We did end up signing a general release against any further claims and had all our money refunded.

I decided to post my real name as the church has no control over me and I lose nothing doing so. My husband has lost family members who have disconnected from him and me but we still have other loving family members and friends and a great future. We can now truly observe on our own and think for ourselves instead of 'how would the church want me to think about this?' In fact just recently we connected up to some friends that my husband had disconnected from 20-25 years ago.

I blame no one for my experiences in the Church. I made these decisions on my own. And I am very happy with my final decision regarding the church.


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