Saturday, 28th December, 2002 02:15:17pm
Name or Alias:
Training and/or processing level:
Org or location:
ASHO D, LA
Time involved in the Church of Scientology:
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- 1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of
- I had a girlfriend who was in, she got me in.
- 2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
- I liked the group spirit, seemed to me kinda left leaning at the time. The people seemed relatively friendly. It seemed like the next logcal step as I was just drifting along in the great river of life anyway.
- 3. Were there problems in your life that you thought
scientology would address?
- Nope, Scientology just seemed like another adventure in life for me. The winds of fate were blowing me in that direction.
- 4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't
seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were
they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
- Plenty of things weren't right. I was in the Sea org for 4 years. Sometimes I can't believe I was in there that long.
1: There was couple on staff at the Sea Org that had 7 or 8 kids, they were very popular. After one last child, (might have been the 9th), they were routed out of the organization onto the street, with no warning. My sense of justice and fair play was deeply offended.
2: The Rehab Project Force (RPF) or Slave Labor force was used to excess for petty offenses. I myself got assigned to 'estates duty' for a period of six weeks, cleaning and fixing stuff etc. and found I quite liked it. I got to hang out with a couple of the maintenance guys who I thought were the most down-to-earth and likeable people on the base. I was actually regretting migrating back to my regular office job, except that I got time off with the regular office position.
3: The ethics officers, Mike Grau comes to mind, were some of the most petty individuals I ever met, some guy called Craig worked for him. I'd happily take a baseball bat to either one of 'em today. Butter wouldn't melt in their mouths they were so perfect. (Obviously I'm an earthy person, a scieno might say I have missed with holds, or Rock slams or some such shit, bit I think I'd just like to smack 'em with a bat)
4: concentration on raising 'stats'. What a pile of shit. I figured that game out within weeks of being there. The game was to keep stats rising weekly. My first year was working in the kitchen. So If my stats were up or down, what're they gonna do. Personnel for kitchens were hard to come by. I was not therefore an active participant in the stats game. The mountains of bullshit letters that were mailed from the letter writing people. My heart went out to 'em, or many of the other people who had thankless grinding jobs. At least in the kitchen we goofed around, listened to rock and roll all day, and ate as much as we liked of whatever was at hand, and were under the watchful and forgiving eye of one Ron Skinner. He was great guy, I'd love to met him again.
5: Ten bucks a week spending money was stupid. Many times it was cut, or not delivered at all. In my case, it provided for a couple of packs of smokes for the week only. I later got access to see how much money was carved out from Corrected Gross Income and was amazed at how much disappeared into other reserve accounts besides payroll.
6: Our living conditions were 6-8 bunks stuffed into a small hotel room. One shower, god forbid the boiler stopped working which it did constantly, cold
7: No coverage of medical expenses at all. If you get sick or need dental work, you're shit outta luck. You really think your $0-10 per week is gonna cover anything? It ain't. Ever wonder why many SO members have crappy teeth, shoddy clothes, no transport, bad hygene? And if they do look good, they didn't do it on sea org pay.
- 5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of
- I really liked the people at my low level on the totem pole. Mostly young reformed hippies at the time so we had a lot in common. We were individuals, many had done drugs, but were looking for something past that, and we smart enough to know that slamming drugs was a road to nowhere, but we weren't quite ready for the straight and norrow career path of our parents. I had a lot in common with the people and got a long quite well with most of them. (Except ethics officers). Plus, you actually think you are doing something to help the world out, which is a very noble cause. So I hung for a while thinking all these smart people can't be wrong.
- 6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or
an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on
staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
- I was staff at ASHO Day and FOLO WUS in the Sea Org. 1975 - 1979. In case anybody ever thinks of joining, as Scientology says, look at an organizations stats.
1: There were hundreds of SO members in L.A. when I was there. I guarantee at least 95% of the people I knew have left since. And that is a rolling statistic that only incorporates my four year time window.
2: The statistics are excellent you ain't gonna be in the Sea Org five years after you join. So save yourself the bother. It's a shit life anyway unless you are young, stupid and unattached, and even then it can still be shit.
- 7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a
- I never really had a final straw. I went on leave one day, to clean up a legal problem(Immigration). (I was deemed a liability as long the legal problem existed) and never migrated back to the fold. I knew a year before I left I would never come back. I knew the legal problem was brewing, and sooner or later they would have to let me go. My departure was done with a minimum of fuss on both sides. Once my year Leave was up, I did get a few phone calls recruiting me back, but I was into computers by that time, and have never looked back. My only regret is that I wasn't more vocal in my disdain for the lies and doublespeak. I would meet my old Sea Org friends while on leave, have a beer etc. and was friendly but I just knew that chapter in my life was over. Bottom line, if I had to do it over again, the time and hard work would be much better spent getting an advanced college degree. That's my simple conclusion after four years.
- 8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some
of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those
practices affect your life?
- Get rid of the emphasis on money.
Get rid of Ronnies status as a deity. I could never dispel the phrase 'fawning psycophants' from my mind when I was there. I found it pathetic, very reminiscent of Stalin/Hitler/Mao/khomeini/Saddam Hussein personality cult. Ronnie was lying sack of shit anyway. His version of his biography is pure make believe. I knew that when I was there in the mid 70's. Too much of a fairy tale. Who did he think he was kidding? Always question authority! People who discourage questioning authority are nazis, hard line communists, dictators, muslim clerics, and scientologists.
Get rid of the organization. Too many non-critical thinkers. Question Authority!
- 9. If the items you listed in the previous question were
changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of
Scientology? If so, why?
- No way, scientology is something like TM, or a diet and exercise fad, or yoga. Try it and see if you like it. But don't take the writings of Hubbie to seriously, it is a documented fact the man was a pathological liar. But that doesn't mean everything he did was a lie. Just most of it.
- 10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
- I had an OK time in the Sea Org. I drank to excess many week ends. Rode my motorcyle to Santa Barbara, Santa monica, or Laguna Beach, didn't mind long hours, and had lots of girlfriends. Perfect for a young guy. But then you grow out of it.
To anybody thinking of joining up, I offer this advice. Always always always always keep an untouchable reserve of cash so that lack of money for the real world isn't the reason you are staying. Many of my friends were in because they couldn't afford to get out. And to an extent, so was I. Pride kept me from going to my parents for money, and I muddled my way through and out of it. Since I left, I have a nice house, career, great friends, great wife and family, and my proudest acheivement, a daughter in a good pre-med program and a son not far behind. Try doing that on $0-$0 perweek.
I look at my sea org years like college years, kinda crazy, sometimes painful, great friends, learn a lot, then get out and start your real life.