Scientology - Through the Door


Wednesday, 28th August, 2013 04:15:29pm

Name or Alias: Avante
Training and/or processing level: Class V Grad C/S, OEC, Professor
Org or location: PAC, FLAG
Time involved in the Church of Scientology: 1986-2005
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1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of Scientology?
I visited a mission in my teens and did some volunteer work. Ended up getting a course, then doing a post at a Class V org. From there, joined the SO.

2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
It seemed a logical method to address the randomity which existed in life.

3. Were there problems in your life that you thought scientology would address?
Life itself, I suppose.

4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
Pretty much everything (all of the above). I witnessed Kirsten C instruct the Dir I&R to get Astra to abort her baby outside of the HCO office. I was supervising a student who had to disconnect from his father because he was an "external influence". The living conditions in PAC and the management buildings were pretty shabby. There were several times I witnessed teenagers (14-16) doing 80-90 hour weeks (and the managers were well aware that they could only work 6 hours a day based on California labor laws). I was physically attacked by two execs when I told them to fuck off with their off-policy orders or out-tech instructions.

At the time, I guess I overlooked it as I was young and pretty easily influenced. The most insidious datum I sort of based it on was the "you are responsible for your own condition", which was used frequently as a make-wrong (basically introverting you). I did address some of the more off-Source actions through my post, actually flying in the teeth of some pretty fucked-up orders from upper management. I chalked it up to unhattedness, or attempted to get in ethics on the terminal who was forwarding destructive orders.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I was targeted because (from my post) I was actually keeping tech on the rails. I worked with what I had, mind you, and hatted the ignorant. Being pretty well-trained and in a position to enforce policy (albeit from upper management, not Int). I had garnered a lot of positive reputation and was generally loved because I made things more sane in my organization. I was taken out with false reports, exaggerated instances, and a kangaroo comm-ev that I didn't even fight (because at that point, I was done and wanted a life of my own). So, I justified this by thinking this wasn't actually RTC or Command Intention - just terminals along the lines warping the orders to this hideous travesty of policy.

5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of Scientology?
We were "saving the world". All you heard was the amazing expansion, stats going out the roof, how we were making a difference (while being in the SO, that is). It was good to be part of something that I felt was making a difference in people's lives; you always heard about how the SPs were the cause of issue 1, 2, or 3.

But, mostly, it was because I helped the staff I was working with by removing arbitraries and insanity from their lives. I'd use "Orders, Query of" liberally, refuse to do correction which was squirrel or violated another policy when myopically applied. Tears of gratitude were not uncommon walking out of my office.

6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
I'd say staff. Org. Sea Org. I was intimately involved with OSA Int. Upper management, but not Int (though I was there a couple of times).

7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a "final straw"?
Not sure if there was a final straw. I haven't "left", but I'm not involved currently. Primarily because at my wage, I wouln't even be able to afford a review session if it was needed, much less everything else you are asked to do - required to do - before doing something (course or auditing).

Three things were major turning points. First, when the GAT arrived, the student points and comps stat were fully falsified, on orders from Snr C/S Int (I was given the telex ordering the false stat). Any certainty course was counted as an auditor made; TRs and Objectives theory were counted as auditors made; the STP was inflated by the addition of the GAT drills (making 1200 points a study period versus 600 points a study period).

I am fully GAT trained, btw. I personally thought the drills were great.

Second, I noticed the tech terminals I was working with were getting RPFed, etc. one by one. When I went further up the command line, I had more reports of people in external orgs who I had trained with had a terrible attrition rate. These were good people, but they were blowing like mad, in ethics trouble, etc.

Finally, the Ideal Orgs started up. This convinced me more than anything that things had gone off the rails. This was even before the Cook email, by at least a couple of years. I'm pretty sure it was a West Coast org that was emailing me for donos (though I live nowhere near the org nor had I been on services there). Now, having read every policy ever written (and many FOs, as well as LRH evals from the Exec DSEC and many if not all Flag Orders, and LRH EDs) reference known to man, I knew this was off-source. Not even off-source, but completely in contradiction to every policy ever written on the subject.

But as far as a breaking point, where I started reading sites like this?

It was reading Karin Pouw state that Astra was never asked to have an abortion (I was outside the office, I heard the yelling). I remember my ex being sent to the decks and separated from me with a pregnancy scare.

It was reading the Church response to "Disconnection" to the media. I was present when an RTC terminal stood over a student to get him to disconnect from his dad. I witnessed CJC and IJC "handlings" for people who were connected to "SPs". Heard the orders coming out of their mouths.

Finally, I heard the lies coming out of their wifes' mouths on the Mike and Marty newscast; and I saw Lesevre and Davis evade a question which would have let the cat out of the bag, deliberately avoid that area in the interview. That misdirection only comes from someone with something to hide.

I am not "in agreement" with mike and marty. I never much cared for either terminal when I worked with them (which thankfully was not often), because (to put it bluntly) they were a-holes, off-policy and out-tech in the interactions I had with them. Whether this was orders from DM or not, really wasn't the point - they acted independently of DM in the stuff I was seeing.

8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those practices affect your life?
I think they do need change, but it's not likely. All of those who donated for IAS, Ideal Orgs, etc. need to be refunded or credited with services to go up the Bridge, I guess. Freeloader debts need to be forgiven. There needs to be an amnesty. The sec checking needs to stop being done on people under Grade 2, and cancelled in the middle of major levels. Focus needs to go back onto making auditors, not buildings. All of the things which take too long to make auditors need to be removed as arbitraries (Basics, etc.). More than this, but I don't feel like writing it all down.

But honestly? I think the organized religion is forever poisoned in the eyes of the raw public. I couldn't get one of my non-scn friends to get involved even if I paid them, and I honestly think there is no fixing that. This comes from someone who has gotten at least 30 people onto the Bridge (not even trying to FSM) since I left the S.O. until about 2005. The subject is dead.

9. If the items you listed in the previous question were changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of Scientology? If so, why?
Probably not. As I said, the subject is pretty rotten, and it would take too long to fix as an organization. Additionally, I'm pretty sure that even if DM quit tomorrow, another power-hungry person would step up. They would look like a Golden Boy at first, or "The Saviour". But they'd get corrupted, too. And the same cycle would happen all over again. I've met a few truly selfless people in the world, who were also excellent administrators. They also won't step up, because they won't think they can manage it properly.

10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
Scientology as a technology isn't 100% workable. It does great things for people, offers an application-based technology to get your shit together, and has it's benefits. But there are many parts which frankly speaking, don't work. Perhaps they've been altered beyond belief. PTS and SP tech are specific examples where frankly, it's a totally unworkable tech and I have never seen a positive result from applying that tech. Other stuff is helpful, taken in moderation and not as "the gospel truth". I don't begrudge anyone who feels differently or look down on them. Go OT if you need to, do whatever. What is true for you, is true. I can't say it's not; spiritual freedom is a personal journey. Hell, even LRH said that.

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