Sunday, 19th August, 2007 08:43:50pm
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- 1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of
- I saw an article in a magazine. It contained snippets from people I admired and I noticed that they were indeed successful in life and therefore scientology must have something. I'd already tried something else but this had nothing much to offer in the way of dealing with problems. I had a drink and drug problem and this obscured my view and I also had just come out of a turbulent relationship, which I'd caused through my own habits. I guess I was vulnerable. Also. someone had give me the book Dianetics. When I kept seeing Scientology in the press and hearing about it I saw it as a 'Sign'. I have 20/20 hindsight now though...geeeeeeez!
- 2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
- The confidence and determination exhibited by the staff during my first visit really. They seemed so convinced of it's validity and always seemed to have an answer for everything I came up with...little did I know. They also seemed to have this persistence at keeping going until something got done, and that's all I wanted, to find a way of reaching my goals.
- 3. Were there problems in your life that you thought
scientology would address?
- The boozing, the drugs, the lack of success, the feeling of failure, not enough money, slight depression. I could have handled all of that by not drinking and becoming focussed and I had done this before but this time I was particularly vulnerable, and that's when the Church staff pull you in, you're an easy target. Everything you say you want, they say the church can give you.
- 4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't
seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were
they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
I saw an article in a magazine. It contained snippets from people I admired and I noticed that they were indeed successful in life and therefore scientology must have something. I'd already tried something else but this had nothing much to offer in the way of dealing with problems. I had a drink and drug problem and this obscured my view and I also had just come out of a turbulent relationship, which I'd caused through my own habits. I have 20/20 hindsight now though...geeeeeeez!
The confidence and determination exhibited by the staff during my first visit really. They seemed so convinced of it's validity and always seemed to have an answer for everything I came up with...little did I know.
oooooooooooooh yes. I remember seeing a staff member I particularly got on with when I first joined and who helped me pull myself together quite a few times, getting balled out for being 2 minutes late for muster. This stuck in my mind, I thought, 'Hey, that's my pal, he's a good guy and you're being horrible.' I also was yelled at a couple of times when I was briefly on staff and I just thought,'Screw you pal.' I noticed that staff lived in low rent housing, lived together, had little or no money, were always coming up with schemes to save money, were always dressed in clothes from charity shops....this didn't add up. I also noticed a couple of very strange situations with the care of their kids. The staff would be in the org from morning til night and I didn't even know they had kids. When I found out they were looked after in shifts by people who had a bit of spare time when not on study or doing staff stuff I started to wonder about the dynamics and how the reality started to not match up to the theory.
There was also a coldness about the people too. They could easily become hateful of certain people who came up in conversation for no apparent reason. These were people I had met, perhaps months before that were suddenly not liked, and the thing was I was supposed to not like them now either. of course these were people who had turned, seen the truth and said something about it and gotten declared so they'd not let the cat out of the bag.
I noticed I was being groomed to start getting loans out and I stated once that I'd never do this as I never wanted to have debts. Over a period of time, a few weeks, I was cajoled, love-bombed and brought into agreement with doing just that and eventually I had remortgaged my home, used up my credit, had credit cards galore (5 at one time) loans and 2 overdrafts.
I will never forget one Thursday morning waking up to discover my flatmate had let the ED and Reg into my home, just on the morning I'd received a new credit card. Before I was even awake they'd had me register the card by phone and used up all the credit plus £500 more. They said that by the time the bank discovered that fact the funds would be in their account and I'd just get a polite letter from the credit card company. Wow, evil! Eventually I lost my home of course but I was so conditioned to believing I was saving the planet by then I'd have believed anything.
I then had a revelation from the C/S and this was rather fortunate in that it meant I had to go to Flag. When there I saw Scientology in a new light and this was a different world. The staff there tried every trick in the book to recruit me for the SO, Org staff and get more money out of me but this time it was way more slick than in my little local org. Amazingly I managed to get one more loan through a lie and was able to get more auditing there and eventually I got a job in the town of Clearwater. What a disaster.
Anyway, I didn't stay long but I noticed a lot of ex-staff from various orgs in the US and most of them were quite low toned and unhappy, had debts and talked of being badly treated and the CHANGES since new management took over. I of course had been sheltered from this and I investigated and began to ask questions. I noticed the famous change in the definition of the 2nd dynamic and questioned the Qual Sec directly and applied the pro TR tech I'd learned. Instead of being pleased he did not seem happy with me. I am quite in-your-face when I want something and can handle myself physically, and now that I was fit and sober I must have seemed quite a threat to this poor, under nourished little Sea Org guy. He quietly said for my to just accept it and not to make waves and just go with it as pursuing it was not an avenue I wanted to pursue, 'If you know what I mean.' Man that scared the shit out of me because I knew that tone of voice as I've had dealings with the sort of people you wouldn't wish upon your worst enemies so I though, 'is this really a religion.' So I came back home and carried on asking questions and got either no or limited response.
Then because of policy and tech changes my case changed apparently and I had to go back down the bridge. I could see straight through this and I caused a huge stink about it and would not shut up even though being advised to by so called friends. In the end this Reg in a certain Org tried to tell me how it was OK for me to have to pay for their mistake and that they'd found LRH data that had been covered up by some non specific SP, and this was too much for me and I told him in no uncertain terms to fuck off and that I'd never give them a penny of my money again, ever.
Then I got a call, quite an innocent one from my local org and they wanted to have a chat about the new ideal org scheme to 'see what I thought about it'. I had to drop everything and rush down there and I did. Of course it was a Sec Check and I felt really insulted at the questions, and the auditor wasn't even fully qualled. She kept on trying to insinuated things about my sex life, trying to hint I was still a drinker and druggie and basically reverse process me, even when I was on a coffee break. Fortunately I am trained so I saw right through it and saw it as part of COB's new regime that's come into force recently to do with the Ideal org thing and new books etc. I could see that it's just about money and power and manipulating you into their scheme. When they're done with you they offload you.
I heard a staff member say outright that they wanted to offload a public but that they were going to squeeze her for as much money as possible first, then get rid of her. And he was so nasty about her and commented on her tone level, that she never went up tone and that she always took years over one course etc. I thought, 'well, why don't you offload her now then? She's paying for the clothes on your back and food in your stomach but that's OK, it's all for the greatest good isn't it?'
That's when I flipped and haven't been back since. I got calls about the books and told them that CST wasn't around in 1970 and that LRH never wrote the current version of the 2nd dynamic definition in any HCOB or PL and all the Lectures on CD and the Clearing congress are altered and there's omissions and that Scientologists are being made to follow RTC policy nowadays, not LRH. Then I hung up.
Personally i think the tech, when you have proper LRH tech, is good and can help you. But the way it's run now and th prices and the Celebrity worship and the favouratism is putting an end the the Church anyway and eventually it will be the Freezone only where you can get LRH tech, if you want it.
- 5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of
- Because I was led into believing the version of reality that is sold to you.
- 6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or
an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on
staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
- Staff briefly but mainly public
- 7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a
- The continual brushed off questions, never getting an answer that didn't involve me 'coming in' and ebding up having to BUY more spiritual freedom. I had a D of P lean over a table when I was on the cans and intimidate me into shutting up. That was the final straw. I won't say what what I said to him. i think he was quite scared of me after that.
- 8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some
of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those
practices affect your life?
- Yes, COB needs to go and actual LRH policy put back in. It's not about buildings, it's about clearing people and helping them become happy with their lives. The prices need to be put back to what LRH said they should be which is within the reach of the average pocket and the disconnection policy needs to be cancelled as LRH did actually cancel it in 1968.
RTC need to do a huge amends project for all the people's families they messed up too.
People will come into Orgs if they know they can come and go as they please because they want to not because they are forced to and treated as just another stat. Seeing public as a meal ticket needs to change too and it's this that's put so many people off.
- 9. If the items you listed in the previous question were
changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of
Scientology? If so, why?
- I doubt that.
- 10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
- Obnose. Take a good look around when you go into an Org. Are the people there really demonstrating what they preach, or are they just trying to get your money? Is the Org nicely decked out or is it falling apart? Is it full or empty?
If you're not able to make up your own mind about your life and need to follow what someone else says to do then go ahead but my advice is don't believe the hype. Things are only hyped that need to be sold. Is that a religion or a business??