Scientology - Through the Door

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Thursday, 4th April, 2002 12:33:18pm

Name or Alias: Claire Swazey 'Fluffygirl'
Training and/or processing level: N/A
Org or location: N/A
Time involved in the Church of Scientology: 2 lifetimes
Recommended Website - N/A
1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of Scientology?
Well, in this lifetime, my Dad was into it and got me into it. I took a basic course and found it was just what I was looking for.

2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
I'd been interested in Catholic theology and mysticism and had found some things I liked in both those arenas, but never had found anything that I could apply, procedures that weren't mired deep in symbolism.

I tried some of the procedures and they worked for me. This impressed me.


3. Were there problems in your life that you thought scientology would address?
Well, at the mission I went to, they tried to find my 'ruin' but they didn't need to because I was already interested in trying Scn. I didn't want to handle any areas of my life, I was very young and just not worried about it.

I just wanted to know how things worked.


4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
Yes. My time on staff was riddled with goose stepping (so to speak) petty tin pot STUPID dictators. I was treated like a slave and also as if I weren't very bright. I also was told that EVERYTHING they did was right and that one could therefore never criticize them. This meant they could act with impunity.

When I was expelled the first time I was convinced that these were anomalies. For everything that happened, I could find an LRH reference saying NOT to do that. What I didn't know is that the whole church often acts that way. (not always. It can be good, but there's so much of this treating people like cattle that it's incredibly widespread.)

As a public person I was bossed around frequently and told what to do and think. Not always, of course. There were very nice people at the local Org. But I met enough people who were different and also there were and are some LRH policies allowing this kind of treatment. This bothered me for many years before I left the organization.

Scn's supposed to be about being more free and more self determined. Yet here the church was, fostering the opposite.


5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of Scientology?
Well, it took a long time to shake off the idea that they are always right. Not only was SCN always right, but CofS was, too. That's what we were all told.

THEN I felt that I'd lose salvation so I was stuck with these bozos. I couldn't get Scn elsewhere, I thought, so this was the only game in town. This upset me.

THEN I started to see that this wasn't necessarily the case. One can do Scn on one's own, with other like minded renegades, or one can take a total breather from it and still survive quite nicely.

BUT then I hoped that they'd change. There are some virtues and good things in both the philosoph and in CofS and I hoped to not throw in the towel.


6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
Both at different times. Mission staff. Never SO. Never OSA.

I had, when I first found the critic scene, wanted to help OSA out, because I thought the critics were wrong and bad. They didn't want my help. After a few months, had I been contacted by OSA and asked to help (which I wasn't) I'd have rejected them, anyway as I was starting to see things differently.

Just before I got expelled I was offered a job of sorts- writing puff pieces for OSA of Portland, OR. I turned them down. I told them they should just apply their Creed.


7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a "final straw"?
Yes. My 'handling' of August 20th 2000. I was threatened, in a way. Coerced. They implied that they could bust up my marriage. That I couldn't post on a.r.s. They said they'd only give me one day to decide and then later in the interview, the HCO guy changed it to a couple hours. Why? Because he felt like it. I was treated with contempt and I decided to walk away forever. I was expelled one year later but was already out of CofS.

It's the contempt that got to me the most.They want my money and my time ad infinitum and then they treat me - and others- with CONTEMPT?


8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those practices affect your life?
Yes.

Mainly the SO. The RPF. The RPF's RPF. Treatment of SO staff. Of their kids.

Recruiting practices of minor children and of young adults into the SO.

The pricing.

OSA operations.

The PR.

The way courserooms are run. One gets in BIG trouble for just being two minutes late. Colleges have just as good attendance and they don't treat people like children.

Pay scales in missions and Cl V Orgs.

Stat pushes.

Sec checks of anyone who cross SO members.

lengthy OT preps.

Sec checks on OTVII. They are reduced but still extant and shouldn't be.

Their stance on criticism.

Their running roughshod over the rights of members.

Their stance on leaving the organization. If one leave staff and does everything according to policy one is still hammered.



9. If the items you listed in the previous question were changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of Scientology? If so, why?
No.

There are no utopias.

I'm tired of groups.

The Freezone's somewhat better but they have their share of 'Ronbots.

I would only avail myself of some services, whenever I felt like it, in the FZ, but I'd not want to really be a part of it.

Or of any group involved in Scn.

There AREN'T any utopias. People are imperfect.


10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
I'd like to see Scn'ist and critic alike ditch any black and white thinking that they might have and to stop stereotyping one another.

Not all Scn'ists are the same as all others. Same with critics.

Let's stop that and REALLY communicate.


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