Wednesday, 16th November, 2005 08:48:07pm
Name or Alias:
Training and/or processing level:
Not Really Relevant
Org or location:
Time involved in the Church of Scientology:
17 Years or so
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- 1. How did you first become acquainted with the Church of
- 'Body routed' for Personality Profile, saw black&white interview Tony Hitchman film of Hubbard, bought Dianetics book.
- 2. What initially appealed to you about scientology?
- Front end people seemed genuinely happy and friendly enough and was intrigued by the notions of 'stored negative memories' and the restimulation factor noted early in Dianetics. Then I'd have to say that TRO opened my eyes and the 'world showed up' for the very first time. No no....it's not brain-washing.....just something as simple as being present. Also, it was a lot of fun to do that bull-baiting stuff. These Ex-Scios that claim this is brainwashing or mind control are really off base - most people move from trance to trance all day....focused attention while being aware of one's thoughts is actually a kind of zen thing and I must say a very USEFUL and WORKABLE HOOK to attract novices....since subjective results are obviated very quickly. What often happens months. years after that can be a sad and expensive story in futility and false promises.
- 3. Were there problems in your life that you thought
scientology would address?
- Of course....have to say I was basically a seeker anyway and did not have that many friendships....nor even a job at the time. Hey, I was RIPE as they say.
- 4. Did you see, experience, or hear about things that didn't
seem right while you were in the Church of Scientology? What were
they, and what convinced you to set aside your feelings?
- Look, I heard and read a lot stuff. It came from parents and some of my own mild digging. The big mystery was this 'invisible' red headed founder who lived on ship and was supposedly raking in tons of dough on this 'tech' while others slaved away 'for the cause' of clearing the planet. I figured that this could be the case; yet once one is on a path to being a'true believer' the notion of sacrifice for the higher good clouds the perceptions; plus there was some of this pressure from 'ethics' people to keep you on the straight path towards the (found out later) never to be attained 'total freedom.' Actually had a pretty good laugh when I realized that the definition of Scn as 'the road to total freedom' is actually what it turns out to be....it's definitely a road....a long and expensive road and it is 'towards' road....you never do arrive and the longer you stay on the road, the more convinced (until you see the truth/folly) you become that you need to STAY on the road just a teenie while more before you see the light. Hah. Someone once said soemthing that I found quite 'real'....'Maybe the light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.' I thank my lucky stars that I had good enough inate eyesight to see that freakin train and get out of the tunnel....already!
- 5. Why did you choose to stay in the Church of
- See number 4 above......and I'll add....there were definitely some common sense metaphysical principles and technology that was useful and healing. Others who just poo poo this are really just downers and not willing to realize that even a borrowed or 'consolidated' piece of truth or technology (irregardless of its origin) either is usefull or worthless or some degree in between.....some people just like to shoot the messenger along with the message.
- 6. Were you staff or public? If staff, was it at a mission or
an org? Were you ever in the Sea Org or OSA? Which unit? If not on
staff, did you ever volunteer to 'help out'?
- Both....and I'm not about to say in what capacity exactly due to the level of undeniable paranoia that exists with the 'Image Guardians'....suffice it to say I was fairly 'involved' and privy to details denied the Scn public and general public....well at least till the crap hit the fan...anyway.
- 7. Why did you leave the Church of Scientology? Was there a
- Hope is a strange animal. It can keep you company and warm on cold nights. It can even talk to you when you're starting to doubt and wonder and skoff (to yourself naturally - less you wind up dealing with the 'Correct Perception Enforcement people' [ethics]. Let's just say, my 'truth spark' never truly died and it started a warm and then bigger fire and hope ultimately merged into this fire realizing that the true path of wisdom lies within and not 'out there'...and a new real future appeared...and it included the FREEDOM TO THINK FREELY!!!!!!!!!! and THINK FOR MYSELF!!!!!!
This new hope and faith in myself returned thanks to others who graciously reminded me of my real Self. Also....to be more real, there were too many organizational lies, criminal actions, money grabbing attempts, and the last straw I'd have to say was the repeated denial of treating people honestly....staff to public, public to public, public to staff. After a while, one j,ust wants to throw up when someone asks 'what;s your next step?' instead of 'how are you - nice to see you again - how's your son?' etc. You know NORMAL HUMANOID BEHAVIOUR instead of hell bent on going free from ???? mania talk. Lastly....this group of Planet Savers are anti-1st amendment....the part about FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Too many examples of this to even begin to list. They totally want to control WHO you talk to, what you say, and in fact actually prohibit you from speaking....do your own homework. This, sad to say, is also true of many religious and political zealot groups. THUS the Founding Fathers made it Bill of Rights NUMERO UNO!!!!
- 8. Do you think the Church of Scientology needs to change some
of its practices? If so, what should be changed? How did those
practices affect your life?
- Give me a break. It's a lost cause...they are completely a 'True Believer' group, cult, sect....label does not really matter. READ Eric Hoffer's book [The True Believer'] - it's all there. Now when I said 'lost cause', I mean the entire organization is stuck back in time and acting out of Hubbard's think.....he seemingly wanted them to do that so much so that people used to go 'what would Ron do?' Well, he certainly would have acted with greater applomb than Cruise did on his anti-psych tirade on national TV. They are even out of touch with their own extensive survey and research data[from the 70s] and their own guidelines/policies...it's a scary group that believes you ought to tell an 'acceptable truth' whatever the hell that is....Is th is just what the current Bush administration has been doing....'tell an acceptable truth/' People aint buyin it.
- 9. If the items you listed in the previous question were
changed, would you consider rejoining or staying in the Church of
Scientology? If so, why?
- First off, it these items were changed, it would no longer be the group of 'contented malcontents' it is (ie. it would disolve as a cohesive group and be no more). So there be nothing to join. Also...once one is really burned one evolves from knowledge to wisdom......big difference. Education comes from Latin 'educare' - to bring out that which lies within....and you don't need a group for this. Groups are fun for social interaction and loving, non-judgmental support. Scientology was just filled with scales and more ways to judge/label/position people [8 ways till Sunday]with little regard for their personal ambitions and unique lifescript. So my answer....no way jose.
In addition to Hoffer's writings I cold suggest these two: 'How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World'[author?] and 'Looking Out For Number One'[Ringer)
- 10. Any additional comments you would like to make?
- I am suspicious that this group has been taken over by the security people of the US Government....NWO boys. They were after this technology (however flawed its representations and disaffected people portray it) since the early 50s. Yes yes...the same people messing with us about the UFOS being weather balloons and telling people what they all really saw was swamp gas, etc. etc. Office of Naval Research and other G Men good old boys. Do your own homework and THINK! Wouldn't it make sense to make sure this bunch of True Believers just kept on reachin for the stars and shelling out on the new ship of Eternal Hope 'Tradewinds' (?) while you made sure that you had internal control of its more useful technology and your hand in the till! Hey....it's fairly well documented that the remote viewing and psychic spying stuff has been of great interest in US, Russia and who knows where else for some time - supposedly even used during recent Iraq invasion to nail down Saddam's hidden stashes of goodies, etc. Garden variety Scn auditees who have gone 'exterior' with good perceptics(out of body)could vouch for parallels with the so-called remote viewers. But then again....I'm one of those weirdos who thinks crop circles are far off alien art contests - they just love the blank slates provided by the willing wheat farmers.